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all right welcome to it uap studies

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podcast very exciting guest today uh i

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am louis borges joining me as always uh

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jason gilmet how are you my friend i'm

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doing very good it's very hot outside so

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i apologize with people on youtube if

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you see me drenched it's because it's

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really hot out so you gotta get a better

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makeup person they can take care of that

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for you even me i got a bit of shine i

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should probably figure that out

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to the point where we apply makeup yeah

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yeah we haven't got there yet michael's

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got something for us that's what you

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need man national premier

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uh

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oil blotting tissues oh nice there you

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go yeah i'll keep them right here i'm

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i'm a greasy greasy person myself so

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perfect speaking of greasy people we

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want to

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get back into the podcast topic and uh

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welcome back to the show for a second

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time uh mr michael p masters welcome

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buddy thank you thank you it's pleasure

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to be here today on this sunday

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afternoon yeah pleasure to have you back

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and uh so for a few of our viewers and

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listeners that maybe don't know about

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your history and your past uh tell us a

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little bit about yourself

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obviously your education and you know

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you sort of shifted from one science

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world and kind of got into anthropology

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and everything else so tell us a little

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bit about that progression and what

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brought it to where you are now

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um yeah well my main area of study is uh

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biological anthropology i am a paleo

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anthropologist by trade so studying

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hominin evolutionary anatomy human

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variation i have also participated in

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and run some archaeological digs in

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south africa france ohio here in montana

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have a field school that i run from time

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um biomedicine i guess is sort of an

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area of recent research where i look at

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long-term evolutionary trends in our our

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cranial facial anatomy

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and how

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an increase in brain size and the

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frontal lobe moving out over the eyes

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and concomitant

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nature with uh the mid and lower facial

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anatomy retracting backward if that can

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impose itself on the eyes in some way

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and maybe help explain the increased

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frequency of juvenile onset myopia and

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astigmatism so

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kind of dabble in a number of different

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things related to the field of

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anthropology but um

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yeah i know in the back of my mind has

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always been this question

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of uh what are ufos ever since i was an

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eight-year-old kid

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and um yeah back in 2012 i decided to

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uh write a book about it and

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specifically whether or not ufos and

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aliens could be

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humans from the future are descendants

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coming back through time to visit and

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study their own hominin evolutionary

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past in the same way that i do without

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time travel technology obviously

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and um yeah so sort of

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did a deep dive into that question uh

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published a book called identified

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flying objects in 2019

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multi-disciplinary approach drawing from

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astronomy to just kind of make the case

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for this um look at some issues with the

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extra terrestrial hypothesis and

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just sort of see whether or not this

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could be reality um in both our reality

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now and their future reality

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and for past peoples as well going back

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through time

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and then in uh let's see 20 late night

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i guess yeah early 2020 i started

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writing another book taking a different

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um focusing more on

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abductions contact-y experiences

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different contact modalities in the

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context of the same time travel model

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other models to explain this phenomenon

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the extraterrestrial hypothesis

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ultra-terrestrial simulation

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interdimensional and others

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just to sort of approach it from a

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different perspective and see

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you know just uh what what works best

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the most parsimonious explanation

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this is great because on the podcast

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we've covered many aspects like if you

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know they're interdimensional if they're

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extraterrestrial but the

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possibility as well because you made

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some very valid points some very good

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observations uh you mentioned that um it

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didn't correct me if i'm wrong but that

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if somebody's in the future they could

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go back about 50 to 40 000 years

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and that's about as far back as they

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could go but there's different points at

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the interaction between humanoids and us

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uh i i thought your book was fantastic

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when it comes down to uh talking about

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the possibility that is us from the

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yeah and and that number uh comes from a

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couple of different places it seems like

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just based on

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the the way in which this time travel

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technology seemingly works and of course

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it's going to be sooner than i

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book i was kind of looking at it in the

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context of sort of the skinny bob i

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noticed you had skinny bob as your uh

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your your cover photo there but that

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that sort of quintessential big round

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um but then in researching this this

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most recent book i realized that it's

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probably going to happen sooner than

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later and we might be on the precipice

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of actually cracking the time code and

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it may even be happening now if you can

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um take into consideration

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uh david lewis anderson's research if

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he's studied a number of things related

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to time he claims that back in 2005 they

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were able to

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uh modulate time so that they could

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speed it up by 300 percent and he said

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a factor of three or greater that they

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can do now they've even moved people

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we're already doing it and a lot of

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things he describes is oddly similar to

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the way i was uh was sort of envisioning

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this happening as a non-physicist but

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someone who's researched the literature

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enough to sort of figure out how this

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might be taking place and then you can

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with uh these actual craft and if if the

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form of these craft does seem to

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indicate that they have the function of

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and and that's not just a speculative

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observing what these things are actually

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doing in the future so we get a glimpse

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of that future by investigating these

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these machines so it's more about

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connecting the dots rather than just

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saying this is where we're going this

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may be what we've already done and if uh

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you know the roswell crash was a time

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machine we've had 70 years to reverse

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engineer that technology so we got kind

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of a head start

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in a bootstrap kind of way

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um but also from from jim peniston uh

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his experience if we can take that

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seriously as well that they have this

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upper limit of about 45 to 50 000 years

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i think there is also you'll probably

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know this better than me but i saw

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something about it captured i mean this

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gets a little more out there on the edge

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um a captured individual uh that claims

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was yet another thing that that sort of

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indicated that this may be the upper

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um that may just be the upper limit for

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these individuals and once we progress

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our technology farther uh we may get to

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the point where we can come back from

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even farther and i think that might help

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might be from an even more distant point

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in our future but time will tell i guess

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when i first started reading material on

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you and i heard you with that hypothesis

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they're probably us

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in the future coming back or you know

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it's it's something to do with

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we're way more connected than we think

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now whether that's on a genetic level we

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don't know but to me like i came into

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this field as a bit of a skeptic and

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then the more i researched the more it

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seemed plausible and then the more

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brilliant people i speak with now it's

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like i'm charged up about it right but

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that seems to make the most sense like

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as a non-expert

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you know if we evolve if we were to wind

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up destroying our planet or polluting

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our genome or something i mean we've

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already you know fished out our oceans

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and forested half the amazon i mean it's

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just a matter of time and again this

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isn't a couple hundred years so fast

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forward thousands or hundreds of

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thousands of years who knows where we're

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gonna be so it would make sense that if

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we did go to another planet or something

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else to that effect different gravity

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that we would change you know as we

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would evolve as you always say you know

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your head would get larger

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maybe the shrinking jawline and

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everything else would have something to

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do with protruding eyes it just seems to

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be the most plausible thing to me

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that it's either us coming back maybe to

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you know regain that history we've lost

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or maybe there's a genetic component

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that maybe we can't reproduce in the

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future and we need things that are rich

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in stem cells or t cells or you know a

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lot of these abducted uh people that

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we've interviewed they say that there

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was a lot of things to do with you know

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reproductive things you know the males

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had certain things taken and so did the

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women right so

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to me that it does make the most sense

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that that you know it could be us from

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the future going backwards and it makes

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it way spookier because of that

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i think it's less spooky just because if

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it's from a different planet like a i

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included um

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a case study of someone who's become a

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friend of mine who had been abducted

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since he was a young child and had been

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subjected to the anal probes

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and told me that after reading my book

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he felt better about what had happened

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to him throughout his life because it

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was more like a visit to the doctor as

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opposed to these alien beings who came

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across the stars and kidnapped him and

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did all these things so to him at least

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and that's probably different for

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everybody but yeah there's a lot to

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unpack there um

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i think you're right i mean we're we

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seem way more connected than i think we

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would be if it was a separate evolution

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of a different

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um

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course of life on a different planet uh

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somewhere else in the universe with a

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different distance from their sun

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gravity

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coating system most likely silicon

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versus carbon there's a lot of other

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things that would go into their

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evolution that isn't likely to result

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in a human-like form but also at the

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same time i mean we're talking about

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billions of years like four and a half

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billion years for the earth 15 billion

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years almost for the age of the universe

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what's the likelihood that at this exact

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moment we would have these humanoid

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beings that are just slightly more

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evolved than us physiologically

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culturally technologically um and that

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was the thing that sort of led to this

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deep dive from the age of eight years

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old when i looked up and saw whitley

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strieber's book on the living room shelf

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is just that

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odd similarity and it goes back even

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farther if you look at the fact that

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we're we're four limbed so are they

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tetrapods

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exist 400 million years in the past uh

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penitently we have

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five digits on each each limb and then

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obviously the the characteristics the

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fact that we're bipedal

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um is the trait that defines the hominin

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lineage going back six to eight million

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years and then yeah all of these

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characteristics of our craniofacial

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anatomy which is mostly what i focus on

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and what my dissertation and current

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research is on

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increased

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head getting more rounded which is the

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trait that one of the traits that

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defines

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anatomically modern homo sapien sapiens

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our own subspecies

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facial retraction

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larger brains larger eyes those two

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things are connected ontologically and

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phylogenetically so yeah we look at all

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these characteristics and and whether or

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not we live in space or underground i

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don't think any of it matters to be

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honest they could very well still be

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living on earth in the future and we

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would expect them to still have these

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more derived characteristics of the

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hominin lineage simply because they

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characterize the last six to eight

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million years regardless of where we

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lived on this planet or um what our

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social or political or economic system

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was like they continued and i think

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they're they're likely to continue and

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and yeah the the more advanced culture i

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talk a lot in this most recent book

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about the that genetic aspects one of

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the most ubiquitous characteristics

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in these abduction accounts is sperm

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being taken from men uh eggs and

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gestating fetuses from women and clearly

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there's something about reproduction

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that's very important to uh whoever

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these are but but definitely if they are

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future humans it signals something that

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maybe went wrong or will go wrong with

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um the way our reproduction works now in

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the future at some point

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in your book you mentioned how they have

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or they show compassion towards the

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abductees uh and that most of the time

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they have opposite uh sex ambassadors as

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you mentioned that just the

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somebody that uh would be

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current and ongoing uh with all the

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abductions that it's the repeated

389
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character that they see all the time

390
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that sort of calms them down

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if it's a male it's a female ambassador

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if it's a female then male obviously

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but i thought that was interesting

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because that

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seems to be the case or some of the

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abductees that we talked to yeah i

397
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mentioned that as well

398
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yeah it's really weird and and that's

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that was the whole um point of this book

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was just to look for patterns like that

401
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yeah like i didn't i didn't know that

402
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would come out but um yeah i'm glad you

403
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sussed that out too because it's the

404
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first time someone's mentioned it but it

405
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was just one of these observations where

406
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you look at enough case studies and you

407
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start to see these patterns emerge and

408
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and it's interesting you know you gotta

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ask why yeah why is that the case uh

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could easily be a female ambassador for

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a female abductee but it seems to be the

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opposite for some reason i don't really

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know why that is but yeah with these

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lifelong contactees it's it's very

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common they were i would say a very

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small percentage were actually the same

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gender um across cases so yeah i'm glad

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you noticed that

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yeah phenomena do you think it's limited

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to like just as we've been speaking

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about you know potentially us in the

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future or is it that plus other

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civilized hominid forms you know like

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you said

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even everybody's picture of an alien

426
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seems to be similar right they do have

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two arms two legs whether the head's

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crazy big or small or you know three

429
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fingers four fingers they all i mean

430
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they're not squid

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and they're not you know birds there

432
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have been some you know blue avians and

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that type of thing i guess bird related

434
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but it just seems like for the most part

435
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everybody's description of what creature

436
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they saw is somewhat humanoid you know

437
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yeah and you know you have to

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acknowledge the psycho cultural

439
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hypothesis there and

440
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the potential psyop

441
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situation from project blue book where

442
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they're they're trying to put this out

443
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there so that when things are seen we

444
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can just say oh it's this thing that we

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saw on tv

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and i highlighted three cases in um

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in my most recent book that occurred

448
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before roswell that occurred before

449
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betty and barney hill where they don't

450
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have access to that that zeitgeist the

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the common

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uh stereotypical grey alien form yet but

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yeah you're right there there is some

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variation um i referenced a few times in

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this most recent book the dr agra

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mitchell free study where they uh

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surveyed something like 3 500 and

458
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contact these abductees and and in those

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the most common form was human

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um and then you had the short grays the

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tall grays hybrids and then only about

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five percent were non-hominin forms

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because all of those hybrid gray tall

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short and ourselves are all upright

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walking bipedal humans or hominins of

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some form so so if we can take that

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seriously there is

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that outlier that that small percentage

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that we need to account for

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and i don't know if this time travel

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model does um

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which would indicate to me that there is

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something else going on whether it be

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interdimensional or possibly

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extraterrestrial

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but i do think the vast majority

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of cases and the ufo phenomenon as a

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whole

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does fit well with this model i mean we

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don't have

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evidence in the same way we we have

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developed the standards of evidence over

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you know hundreds of years of of

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scientific research so

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it's not going to be as reliable uh at

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least yet

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as uh you know many other fields of

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study but with with what we do have and

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if we can take these

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first-hand accounts seriously these

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eyewitness accounts and i think we

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should they would hold up in a court of

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law even if it's not

494
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uh evidence in strict scientific terms

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then you know patterns emerge and those

496
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patterns tell stories and the story

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seems to be a human story from what i

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can tell

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you mentioned that there's droids as

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well like you mentioned you know um the

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calvin parker case where droids came out

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and there's other incidences where there

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has been robot looking entities in the

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room uh is that something that is just

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evolutionary like we're just bound to

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have

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robotic

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um help in the future and somehow is

509
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that

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you know are the grays only you know

511
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droids from the future where we might

512
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not have to have the risk of traveling

513
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through time we just send

514
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uh some entities back that can do the

515
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job for us

516
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well um i think there's a few things

517
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going on there the the ones well first

518
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off i mean you look at um

519
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uh who's who's the big robot

520
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manufacturer can't think of their name

521
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right now

522
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it alludes boston boston dynamics yeah

523
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boston dynamics they're they're making

524
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they're sort of leading the way in um

525
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human

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dog they make that weird dog thing too

527
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but robotics

528
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yeah yeah and there's a functional

529
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aspect to that like for carrying gear

530
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for soldiers or whatever but one of the

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main things they're working on and have

532
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been along with all of these other

533
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um

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robotics companies in japan and

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elsewhere

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is uh that they are trying to make a

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human form it's very very common for

538
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them to figure out bipedalism is harder

539
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with robotics obviously

540
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um but then to make something that looks

541
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human and acts human and um

542
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there's a show called humans actually

543
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where they they really dove deep into

544
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this it was a sci-fi show i think it was

545
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out of britain it's a good show

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um but it seems like no matter what i i

547
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don't think that we're evolving into

548
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robots or that we'll start to integrate

549
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ourselves with them per se i think

550
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what's happening here is that we're we

551
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just got better

552
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at making human-looking robots to the

553
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extent that to us uh in the the

554
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primitive past of these future

555
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descendants

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we're not great at telling that it may

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be obvious to them um

558
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but i i think we can kind of confuse

559
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them because they got so good at it with

560
00:19:55,350 --> 00:19:52,640
that said the parker hixson abduction of

561
00:19:57,990 --> 00:19:55,360
pascagoula those were clearly robots but

562
00:19:59,510 --> 00:19:58,000
both men say these were robots they made

563
00:20:01,669 --> 00:19:59,520
buzzing sounds they didn't look like

564
00:20:03,110 --> 00:20:01,679
humans they like weird elephant skin and

565
00:20:04,789 --> 00:20:03,120
little triangle things yeah they had

566
00:20:07,029 --> 00:20:04,799
horns out the side of their head yeah

567
00:20:09,190 --> 00:20:07,039
yeah exactly so so that's obviously a

568
00:20:10,950 --> 00:20:09,200
robot a pretty primitive one in a way

569
00:20:12,789 --> 00:20:10,960
other than the fact that can hover and

570
00:20:15,270 --> 00:20:12,799
interestingly they saw humans on that

571
00:20:16,630 --> 00:20:15,280
ship again not grays but actual humans

572
00:20:17,830 --> 00:20:16,640
that look just like us so it may

573
00:20:20,070 --> 00:20:17,840
indicate that that's from a more

574
00:20:21,830 --> 00:20:20,080
proximate period in our future and they

575
00:20:23,830 --> 00:20:21,840
have this kind of clunky robot that can

576
00:20:26,549 --> 00:20:23,840
still levitate and stuff but

577
00:20:29,190 --> 00:20:26,559
um not necessarily human-like not enough

578
00:20:31,029 --> 00:20:29,200
that you would you know marry it or

579
00:20:33,029 --> 00:20:31,039
uh i don't know there's a lot of movies

580
00:20:35,510 --> 00:20:33,039
about that too was that one ai i think

581
00:20:36,390 --> 00:20:35,520
it was yeah oh i haven't finished that

582
00:20:37,990 --> 00:20:36,400
movie

583
00:20:39,830 --> 00:20:38,000
yeah the sex robots i mean that's

584
00:20:42,149 --> 00:20:39,840
probably driving the industry more than

585
00:20:44,149 --> 00:20:42,159
anything is people just can't get laid

586
00:20:46,149 --> 00:20:44,159
and want to have a robot girlfriend or

587
00:20:47,590 --> 00:20:46,159
something

588
00:20:50,070 --> 00:20:47,600
to your point though we interviewed

589
00:20:51,909 --> 00:20:50,080
calvin parker and he was you know

590
00:20:54,070 --> 00:20:51,919
speaking of things that have more of a

591
00:20:55,350 --> 00:20:54,080
humanoid form versus like a robot form

592
00:20:57,510 --> 00:20:55,360
so yeah he said you know when they put

593
00:20:59,110 --> 00:20:57,520
him on the examination table this thing

594
00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:59,120
that looked like a pack of cards came

595
00:21:02,870 --> 00:21:00,720
out of the ceiling and kind of like

596
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:02,880
scanned his head and went around one

597
00:21:07,029 --> 00:21:05,280
time and then disappeared but he said

598
00:21:09,510 --> 00:21:07,039
that the the creature that was beside

599
00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:09,520
him he called her a female so there's a

600
00:21:14,630 --> 00:21:11,760
very distinct big distinction between

601
00:21:16,789 --> 00:21:14,640
that was a machine yeah this has a sex

602
00:21:18,950 --> 00:21:16,799
to it not only it's a living creature

603
00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:18,960
but it was definitely a female one of

604
00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:20,880
whatever the hell it was yeah and and

605
00:21:24,149 --> 00:21:22,480
the same thing can be seen in whitley

606
00:21:25,510 --> 00:21:24,159
strieber's account he describes four

607
00:21:28,710 --> 00:21:25,520
different types

608
00:21:31,430 --> 00:21:28,720
one being sort of robotic but humanoid

609
00:21:34,149 --> 00:21:31,440
enough that there is that crossover and

610
00:21:36,070 --> 00:21:34,159
then yeah this this woman is female

611
00:21:37,510 --> 00:21:36,080
again sort of the the opposite gender

612
00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:37,520
thing happening

613
00:21:40,549 --> 00:21:38,640
and uh

614
00:21:42,549 --> 00:21:40,559
yeah he you know

615
00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:42,559
it's hard because the the female form

616
00:21:46,149 --> 00:21:44,640
was more toward this bug-like

617
00:21:47,590 --> 00:21:46,159
insect-like

618
00:21:49,750 --> 00:21:47,600
uh type

619
00:21:51,430 --> 00:21:49,760
and and i don't think they are bugs i

620
00:21:53,350 --> 00:21:51,440
don't think they're from like

621
00:21:55,029 --> 00:21:53,360
him and i actually talked about this on

622
00:21:57,510 --> 00:21:55,039
his podcast whether

623
00:21:59,510 --> 00:21:57,520
these insect or reptile like beans could

624
00:22:01,990 --> 00:21:59,520
be from a post-human future where they

625
00:22:03,830 --> 00:22:02,000
stumble upon our time travel technology

626
00:22:04,630 --> 00:22:03,840
long after we're dead and use it to go

627
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:04,640
back

628
00:22:09,029 --> 00:22:07,200
a very very long way into the past and i

629
00:22:10,630 --> 00:22:09,039
i don't know it's just kind of a thought

630
00:22:13,270 --> 00:22:10,640
experiment that unfolded as we were

631
00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:13,280
talking but um it's an interesting idea

632
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:15,360
but i think these these individuals are

633
00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:17,760
still human they're just so far from our

634
00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:19,200
future that they've developed

635
00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:20,720
characteristics especially the large

636
00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:22,640
eyes which seem to be the thing that

637
00:22:25,909 --> 00:22:24,640
people focus on the most and that would

638
00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:25,919
be something that would likely

639
00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:28,559
characterize our very distant future so

640
00:22:33,110 --> 00:22:31,280
um but he could still sense this gender

641
00:22:35,590 --> 00:22:33,120
aspect to this individual whether it's a

642
00:22:37,510 --> 00:22:35,600
consciousness thing or whether there's a

643
00:22:41,029 --> 00:22:37,520
a physical

644
00:22:42,470 --> 00:22:41,039
tell i guess um but yeah i don't know

645
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:42,480
there's there's a lot of questions there

646
00:22:46,230 --> 00:22:44,640
but i do think the ai will play a part

647
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:46,240
in the future and like you said jason i

648
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:48,240
think it's going to be instrumental

649
00:22:51,430 --> 00:22:50,400
in helping us develop this technology

650
00:22:53,029 --> 00:22:51,440
because there's going to be risks

651
00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:53,039
involved to sending someone into the

652
00:22:57,430 --> 00:22:55,440
past they would just disappear right and

653
00:22:59,350 --> 00:22:57,440
if they don't come back and they're lost

654
00:23:00,950 --> 00:22:59,360
you know in time flying around on

655
00:23:01,669 --> 00:23:00,960
pterodactyls and whatnot you're going to

656
00:23:03,669 --> 00:23:01,679
have

657
00:23:06,950 --> 00:23:03,679
an issue with the ethics involved in

658
00:23:09,669 --> 00:23:06,960
that so sending a pre-programmed droid

659
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:09,679
or some sort of ai into the past

660
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:11,520
uh minimizes some of those risks to some

661
00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:12,640
extent

662
00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:14,480
i was actually surprised because you

663
00:23:18,870 --> 00:23:16,000
mentioned a bunch of stuff in your book

664
00:23:20,710 --> 00:23:18,880
that i had no uh knowledge of uh for

665
00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:20,720
instance you were talking about uh it

666
00:23:25,029 --> 00:23:22,559
was terry lovelace right

667
00:23:27,430 --> 00:23:25,039
um and you mentioned that

668
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:27,440
the military sort of forced them to go

669
00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:29,679
under hypnosis i didn't i talked to

670
00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:31,200
terry but i didn't know that that

671
00:23:34,310 --> 00:23:32,400
happened

672
00:23:36,310 --> 00:23:34,320
uh that they forced him under hypnosis

673
00:23:38,549 --> 00:23:36,320
to sort of recount what happened to him

674
00:23:40,230 --> 00:23:38,559
right kind of that from what he

675
00:23:42,390 --> 00:23:40,240
describes in his first book i haven't

676
00:23:43,590 --> 00:23:42,400
read a second one yet it was more about

677
00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:43,600
just trying to find out if he had

678
00:23:47,110 --> 00:23:45,120
pictures because he liked to take

679
00:23:49,909 --> 00:23:47,120
photographs and they knew that

680
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:49,919
and they were fine with him knowing they

681
00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:51,840
they gave him and his friend toby these

682
00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:54,000
pills to make them forget he didn't take

683
00:23:57,269 --> 00:23:55,440
him toby did

684
00:23:58,870 --> 00:23:57,279
messed him up pretty bad

685
00:24:00,630 --> 00:23:58,880
according to his account

686
00:24:02,630 --> 00:24:00,640
um but no it's really just to try to

687
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:02,640
find out if there was any chance that he

688
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:05,520
took pictures while

689
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:07,679
being aboard this craft or on the moon

690
00:24:12,870 --> 00:24:10,799
base or wherever it was um and and they

691
00:24:14,470 --> 00:24:12,880
decided that he didn't so he wasn't as

692
00:24:16,390 --> 00:24:14,480
much of a risk but

693
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:16,400
it was it wasn't not so much to find out

694
00:24:20,549 --> 00:24:19,200
because what he says and uh peniston

695
00:24:22,149 --> 00:24:20,559
said the same thing is that they already

696
00:24:23,430 --> 00:24:22,159
knew everything

697
00:24:25,510 --> 00:24:23,440
they've been doing this they've been

698
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:25,520
interacting with these individuals

699
00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:27,360
whether they'd be extraterrestrial extra

700
00:24:31,110 --> 00:24:29,520
tempestual for decades so it wasn't

701
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:31,120
about finding things out there he knew

702
00:24:34,870 --> 00:24:32,880
everything they just wanted to make sure

703
00:24:37,909 --> 00:24:34,880
he wasn't a risk by uh having some

704
00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:37,919
photographic evidence of what he saw

705
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:41,039
that's been ongoing for a long time

706
00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:43,440
even talking to other investigators just

707
00:24:46,230 --> 00:24:44,960
yeah they're being followed and stuff

708
00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:46,240
like that and making sure they don't

709
00:24:48,630 --> 00:24:47,840
have information but

710
00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:48,640
um

711
00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:50,400
yeah i know and it seems to be i

712
00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:52,000
mentioned this in a

713
00:24:57,029 --> 00:24:54,799
space.com interview i was interviewed by

714
00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:57,039
a reporter from al arabi

715
00:25:00,870 --> 00:24:58,559
which i think is

716
00:25:02,710 --> 00:25:00,880
broadcast in the middle east and

717
00:25:05,110 --> 00:25:02,720
uh north africa i think that's actually

718
00:25:06,549 --> 00:25:05,120
coming out next week um but you know

719
00:25:08,149 --> 00:25:06,559
i've been saying the same thing because

720
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:08,159
it seems obvious if you study these

721
00:25:11,350 --> 00:25:09,919
cases long enough that the air force has

722
00:25:12,310 --> 00:25:11,360
been involved in this since the

723
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:12,320
beginning

724
00:25:15,990 --> 00:25:14,159
right they they were project grudger

725
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:16,000
project blue book they were there for

726
00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:17,919
the roswell crash that may or may not

727
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:20,400
have happened but probably did um and

728
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:21,760
then yeah the office of special

729
00:25:25,590 --> 00:25:23,520
investigations specifically within the

730
00:25:28,390 --> 00:25:25,600
us air force they were the ones that

731
00:25:29,909 --> 00:25:28,400
were right there uh investigating

732
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:29,919
all of these cases with military

733
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:31,840
personnel jim penisten and terry

734
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:34,480
lovelace being just two examples but

735
00:25:37,990 --> 00:25:36,000
yeah where are they in all of this you

736
00:25:39,269 --> 00:25:38,000
know i was asked about nasa who who

737
00:25:41,190 --> 00:25:39,279
cares

738
00:25:42,789 --> 00:25:41,200
yeah they're in space they can see stuff

739
00:25:44,070 --> 00:25:42,799
happening around the earth sweet but

740
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:44,080
let's talk to the people who have been

741
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:46,320
studying this for the last 70 years

742
00:25:49,590 --> 00:25:47,279
where where are they in this

743
00:25:51,590 --> 00:25:49,600
conversation and it seems strange to me

744
00:25:53,190 --> 00:25:51,600
and others are saying the same thing but

745
00:25:55,029 --> 00:25:53,200
and they're so quiet

746
00:25:56,070 --> 00:25:55,039
yeah until they get involved i don't i

747
00:25:58,470 --> 00:25:56,080
don't i'm not even really paying

748
00:26:00,149 --> 00:25:58,480
attention to any of this it's just a dog

749
00:26:01,750 --> 00:26:00,159
and pony show in my opinion

750
00:26:03,269 --> 00:26:01,760
the recent disclosures seem to be coming

751
00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:03,279
more from the navy right like with the

752
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:05,600
tic tac incident and we've had a few of

753
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:07,600
those guys you know first-hand witnesses

754
00:26:11,909 --> 00:26:11,039
on the show but yeah the air force is um

755
00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:11,919
almost

756
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:13,919
it's spooky right like why are they not

757
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:15,600
saying anything jason's always said this

758
00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:18,240
it's suspicious uh nobody knows aerial

759
00:26:22,390 --> 00:26:20,559
phenomenon better than trained observers

760
00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:22,400
and the best are in the air force and

761
00:26:26,549 --> 00:26:24,320
yeah they should have at least some

762
00:26:28,710 --> 00:26:26,559
reports you can't have none right or

763
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:28,720
very like or you know i guess

764
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:30,880
percentage-wise it might as well be none

765
00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:32,400
when you look at what's actually come

766
00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:34,480
out from all the different bodies uh and

767
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:36,240
you know paul hellyer was the canadian

768
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:39,440
ministry of defense and uh he was big on

769
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:41,760
getting this information out so and he

770
00:26:45,029 --> 00:26:42,960
even admitted as the head of the

771
00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:45,039
freaking military of a country that

772
00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:46,320
there was stuff that he didn't have

773
00:26:50,549 --> 00:26:48,159
access to either that he found out

774
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:50,559
second hand yeah i know and it's easy to

775
00:26:55,029 --> 00:26:52,880
start getting kind of conspiracy

776
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:55,039
theory-ish when we start talking about

777
00:26:58,710 --> 00:26:56,400
these things but

778
00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:58,720
i i'm convinced now i and it's funny if

779
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:00,799
i went back and watched my interviews

780
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:03,360
over the last four years when i started

781
00:27:09,029 --> 00:27:06,400
talking about this stuff um

782
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:09,039
my views have evolved significantly you

783
00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:11,679
know i i remember saying back in 2019

784
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:12,960
people would ask me well what do you do

785
00:27:16,710 --> 00:27:14,400
you think the government knows oh my god

786
00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:16,720
i don't know probably not

787
00:27:21,029 --> 00:27:18,880
and now it's it's very obvious to me

788
00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:21,039
that they do and have for a long time

789
00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:23,360
and and yeah there's probably even

790
00:27:27,669 --> 00:27:26,159
collaboration between us and and our our

791
00:27:29,430 --> 00:27:27,679
descendants from different periods in

792
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:29,440
the future it seems it's one of those

793
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:31,600
patterns that seem to emerge from this

794
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:33,520
research and you know it probably sounds

795
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:36,240
crazy now but in 20 years it might be

796
00:27:39,590 --> 00:27:37,919
common knowledge too i don't know it's

797
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:39,600
not one of those time will tell things

798
00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:40,320
but

799
00:27:43,029 --> 00:27:41,200
um

800
00:27:45,029 --> 00:27:43,039
yeah it's it's interesting to see what's

801
00:27:46,870 --> 00:27:45,039
happening now it almost seems like

802
00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:46,880
they're kind of giving us just these

803
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:47,760
little

804
00:27:51,669 --> 00:27:50,159
rungs in the ladder that will eventually

805
00:27:53,830 --> 00:27:51,679
lead to the air force giving us

806
00:27:56,149 --> 00:27:53,840
everything or you know it i've heard a

807
00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:56,159
lot of other people that that are in the

808
00:28:01,510 --> 00:27:59,200
know and especially ones in uh

809
00:28:03,990 --> 00:28:01,520
government say that it's not up to them

810
00:28:06,149 --> 00:28:04,000
it's up to these visitors when we know

811
00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:06,159
and it seems like they're

812
00:28:10,870 --> 00:28:08,480
starting to inch us toward knowing which

813
00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:10,880
is kind of exciting because you know

814
00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:13,200
this phenomenon's tens of thousands of

815
00:28:17,350 --> 00:28:15,440
years old so being alive at the time

816
00:28:19,510 --> 00:28:17,360
when we might actually get to know about

817
00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:19,520
this and talk about it meet them it

818
00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:21,520
would be phenomenal i think that would

819
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:23,440
be awesome if that happened and

820
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:26,240
the fact that things have sort of been

821
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:27,600
happening the way they have over the

822
00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:30,399
last well since 2017 essentially

823
00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:32,720
seems to indicate that we we are on a

824
00:28:36,549 --> 00:28:34,720
path to to knowing and i think that

825
00:28:38,310 --> 00:28:36,559
would be delightful

826
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:38,320
yeah yeah well i'm looking forward to

827
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:40,320
the day what the air force actually

828
00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:42,159
comes up with a statement but like you

829
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:43,520
mentioned they're quite quiet on the

830
00:28:48,149 --> 00:28:45,840
subject yeah and

831
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:48,159
my worry when they first came out with

832
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:50,080
this uh whole task force that they're

833
00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:51,360
going to have is that they were going to

834
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:52,799
be competing with

835
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:54,240
the people that have already been doing

836
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:56,640
this for over 75 years you know these

837
00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:58,559
organizations that show up all of a

838
00:29:03,190 --> 00:29:00,960
sudden when an event happens collect the

839
00:29:05,029 --> 00:29:03,200
evidence and then take off you got this

840
00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:05,039
new task force now that's going to be

841
00:29:07,269 --> 00:29:06,480
you know discovering that there's a

842
00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:07,279
group

843
00:29:10,789 --> 00:29:09,279
that's already doing this right yeah are

844
00:29:12,389 --> 00:29:10,799
they going to play ball or is it going

845
00:29:13,870 --> 00:29:12,399
to be you know the country's sort of

846
00:29:15,750 --> 00:29:13,880
divided and

847
00:29:17,669 --> 00:29:15,760
compartmentalized with these different

848
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:17,679
organizations right

849
00:29:21,190 --> 00:29:19,200
we're really at their mercy yeah we're

850
00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:21,200
really at their mercy right now

851
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:22,720
yeah and i don't know i mean i guess

852
00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:25,200
we'll see but i

853
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:27,840
and and do we even need them you know

854
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:30,000
we know this is real do we need them to

855
00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:31,679
tell us it's real again or in a

856
00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:33,679
different way or another organization

857
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:36,240
like and that's what's great about

858
00:29:40,149 --> 00:29:38,320
this this process and what's been

859
00:29:41,669 --> 00:29:40,159
happening is it's reducing the stigma

860
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:41,679
regardless

861
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:43,760
um and i think that that's the only

862
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:45,840
thing i really pay attention to like i

863
00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:48,000
don't watch the congressional hearings

864
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:50,080
or whatever talking head is talking

865
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:51,360
about something they don't know anything

866
00:29:54,470 --> 00:29:53,200
about at any given time

867
00:29:57,269 --> 00:29:54,480
to me what's

868
00:29:59,590 --> 00:29:57,279
really fascinating and actually worth

869
00:30:01,750 --> 00:29:59,600
noting is how the stigma is being

870
00:30:03,430 --> 00:30:01,760
reduced and once that happens and has

871
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:03,440
been happening and if it continues to

872
00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:04,480
happen

873
00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:06,399
who cares what with these government

874
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:09,840
officials that aren't involved say or no

875
00:30:13,430 --> 00:30:11,520
we can get scientists involved we can

876
00:30:15,909 --> 00:30:13,440
start studying this independently the

877
00:30:18,549 --> 00:30:15,919
the private sector the public sector and

878
00:30:20,710 --> 00:30:18,559
education can get involved and and to me

879
00:30:22,630 --> 00:30:20,720
that that's more promising than

880
00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:22,640
whatever new

881
00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:25,360
department of defense branches sticking

882
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:27,840
their nose into this at any given time

883
00:30:32,470 --> 00:30:30,480
we had caroline cory and her movie crew

884
00:30:34,630 --> 00:30:32,480
on and they may come out with that movie

885
00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:34,640
a tear in the sky and basically they

886
00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:36,640
went to where the tic tac incident

887
00:30:40,950 --> 00:30:39,120
happened which was off catalina island

888
00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:40,960
and they just triangulated from three

889
00:30:44,789 --> 00:30:42,640
different vantage points and pointed all

890
00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:44,799
their instruments in the air and they

891
00:30:48,549 --> 00:30:46,559
had like a three or four day time frame

892
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:48,559
to do this and they started getting hits

893
00:30:52,230 --> 00:30:50,640
right away so like you mentioned we

894
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:52,240
don't need the government to do this

895
00:30:56,789 --> 00:30:55,120
even people's cell phone cameras are far

896
00:30:59,909 --> 00:30:56,799
greater than anything that we had 50

897
00:31:01,830 --> 00:30:59,919
years ago so yeah and you've got uh x

898
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:01,840
too they're developing all these

899
00:31:06,789 --> 00:31:04,799
technologies so yeah yeah so yeah i

900
00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:06,799
think that that's uh it's gonna come

901
00:31:10,230 --> 00:31:09,120
from the public sector somehow because

902
00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:10,240
that's the only way the government can

903
00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:12,080
really save face they can't just say

904
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:13,760
yeah we've known this for 80 years we've

905
00:31:17,830 --> 00:31:15,840
been flat out lying about it right oh

906
00:31:19,830 --> 00:31:17,840
they're just going to kind of join the

907
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:19,840
bandwagon and when it starts rolling and

908
00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:21,840
say you know we're just as surprised as

909
00:31:25,269 --> 00:31:23,440
you guys yeah

910
00:31:27,509 --> 00:31:25,279
they'll sneak on that bandwagon look

911
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:27,519
around like oh what's going on this is

912
00:31:30,789 --> 00:31:29,840
cool we forgot to tell you yeah yeah oh

913
00:31:32,549 --> 00:31:30,799
yeah

914
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:32,559
it rings

915
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:34,720
there was this thing in 1947. now that

916
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:36,799
you mention it yeah yeah

917
00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:39,360
yeah i'm not i'm not i'm not i don't

918
00:31:43,269 --> 00:31:41,039
think they should get off that easy to

919
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:43,279
be honest i mean lying to the public i

920
00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:44,960
get it i understand why there's national

921
00:31:49,350 --> 00:31:46,960
security issues there's this

922
00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:49,360
constant red queen

923
00:31:54,149 --> 00:31:52,080
battle of technology and warfare and

924
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:54,159
whatnot and people you know would have

925
00:31:58,149 --> 00:31:56,080
flipped their if they would have

926
00:31:59,669 --> 00:31:58,159
revealed this whether extraterrestrial

927
00:32:02,470 --> 00:31:59,679
or future humans we couldn't wrap our

928
00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:02,480
brains around that in the 1940s so i get

929
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:04,880
it but i mean come on we're we're not

930
00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:07,200
idiots now i mean i guess a lot of us

931
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:09,120
are and i don't think we're idiots then

932
00:32:12,230 --> 00:32:10,480
either and i actually heard stanton

933
00:32:13,909 --> 00:32:12,240
friedman say years ago in an interview

934
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:13,919
that's like listen we just came out of

935
00:32:17,590 --> 00:32:15,279
world war ii

936
00:32:19,909 --> 00:32:17,600
where you know we pulled this off

937
00:32:22,470 --> 00:32:19,919
and and we all came together and it was

938
00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:22,480
a cumulative win so we could have

939
00:32:26,149 --> 00:32:24,240
probably handled some of that info too

940
00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:26,159
it was probably bad timing you know

941
00:32:29,190 --> 00:32:27,760
similar to cold war and everything else

942
00:32:31,590 --> 00:32:29,200
they don't want to bring that into the

943
00:32:34,389 --> 00:32:31,600
occasion you know as well as oh yeah and

944
00:32:37,110 --> 00:32:34,399
nuke might rain from the sky so i get

945
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:37,120
you know you know tear drops in people

946
00:32:40,950 --> 00:32:39,120
kind of thing right right i mean well

947
00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:40,960
also what was orson welles broadcast

948
00:32:46,470 --> 00:32:44,000
wasn't that just 38 1938 so yeah we

949
00:32:49,269 --> 00:32:46,480
weren't too far from that either as far

950
00:32:51,509 --> 00:32:49,279
as uh culture history goes so yeah i

951
00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:51,519
think i think you're right the timing

952
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:53,919
probably wasn't ideal but then again why

953
00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:56,640
did it take 70 years and maybe we're not

954
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:58,159
even there yet maybe this is yet another

955
00:33:01,909 --> 00:33:00,240
false horizon and where it'll be another

956
00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:01,919
70 years but

957
00:33:06,070 --> 00:33:04,559
again i don't think it was up to us as

958
00:33:08,389 --> 00:33:06,080
modern humans i think it's up to the

959
00:33:09,909 --> 00:33:08,399
future humans and they probably decided

960
00:33:13,350 --> 00:33:09,919
you know he just came off of this war

961
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:13,360
you're very primitive warring people uh

962
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:14,640
but we can't trust you with this

963
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:16,399
knowledge you're

964
00:33:21,750 --> 00:33:18,000
as a society yes they're very smart

965
00:33:24,549 --> 00:33:21,760
people but as a society i don't think

966
00:33:26,470 --> 00:33:24,559
that could have been divulged and people

967
00:33:28,470 --> 00:33:26,480
just suddenly wrapped their heads around

968
00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:28,480
it it's it's i think it's more complex

969
00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:29,519
than that

970
00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:31,840
it's also the um the fact that there's

971
00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:33,919
going to be some sort of accountability

972
00:33:37,509 --> 00:33:35,360
because there's many people that have

973
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:37,519
had their lives wrecked because of the

974
00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:38,399
secrecy

975
00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:39,200
you know

976
00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:41,360
i'm a strong believer in bob lazar's

977
00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:43,360
story i believe that they went in and

978
00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:45,760
tried to wreck his life uh to discredit

979
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:47,840
the guy uh you know but there's other

980
00:33:51,750 --> 00:33:49,440
people there's there's got to be

981
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:51,760
thousands of people that have signed

982
00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:55,200
ndas that you know um even with the new

983
00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:57,360
was the congress that passed that new

984
00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:00,960
uh law or a bill that anybody can come

985
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:02,640
forward even if they have an nda to

986
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:04,320
spill the beans about this

987
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:06,720
that's huge yes and then everybody did

988
00:34:11,430 --> 00:34:09,760
that back in what 2020 or something

989
00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:11,440
where they changed their policy that so

990
00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:13,119
that pilots could report things without

991
00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:15,280
retribution i think that's an important

992
00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:16,720
move yeah what congress just did is

993
00:34:20,629 --> 00:34:18,079
important too

994
00:34:21,990 --> 00:34:20,639
and and you know how many people you're

995
00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:22,000
right how many people did have their

996
00:34:26,950 --> 00:34:24,320
lives destroyed by the secrecy and this

997
00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:26,960
this cover-up and and it causes people

998
00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:29,520
to lose faith in

999
00:34:33,990 --> 00:34:31,520
the higher-ups the government the powers

1000
00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:34,000
that be if if you find out that this

1001
00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:35,280
thing you think they're lying about they

1002
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:37,280
actually we're lying about yeah you know

1003
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:38,560
and then the next question is well what

1004
00:34:42,869 --> 00:34:40,320
else are they lying about and you know

1005
00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:42,879
you look at how they the cio would test

1006
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:46,720
acid on people on without their consent

1007
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:47,599
it's

1008
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:50,560
govern people i'm not saying there's any

1009
00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:52,800
right or wrong way to do it but

1010
00:34:58,150 --> 00:34:56,000
it definitely uh raises questions

1011
00:35:00,310 --> 00:34:58,160
and uh you know i'm not a conspiracy

1012
00:35:01,589 --> 00:35:00,320
theorist but when these things come out

1013
00:35:03,190 --> 00:35:01,599
it definitely

1014
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:03,200
makes you ask questions and it's not

1015
00:35:08,069 --> 00:35:05,440
even a political issue about

1016
00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:08,079
laughter right or whatever it's just

1017
00:35:12,069 --> 00:35:11,119
i i don't know is is there some

1018
00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:12,079
uh

1019
00:35:16,230 --> 00:35:14,560
yeah i don't know i'm trying not to go

1020
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:16,240
down any crazy rabbit holes right now

1021
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:18,240
because i i probably don't even believe

1022
00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:21,119
what i would say it would just be

1023
00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:23,200
wild speculation about

1024
00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:25,280
whatever is going on or has been for the

1025
00:35:30,069 --> 00:35:28,079
last 70 years

1026
00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:30,079
yeah oh sorry jay no i'm just going to

1027
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:31,599
say i wanted to ask you as a historian

1028
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:33,839
an anthropologist you know you look at

1029
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:35,520
things as they were tens of thousands of

1030
00:35:41,589 --> 00:35:38,480
years ago so in terms of like ancient

1031
00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:41,599
monoliths and ancient cultures and

1032
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:43,440
hieroglyphs and things like that people

1033
00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:45,599
drawing pictures of spaceships and caves

1034
00:35:50,550 --> 00:35:47,760
and you know

1035
00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:50,560
structures that we weren't supposedly

1036
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:52,960
evolved enough to make but yet they were

1037
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:54,640
made right like the pyramids and all

1038
00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:56,960
this stuff so in terms of like the whole

1039
00:36:01,589 --> 00:35:59,200
maybe call it the ancient uh ancient

1040
00:36:03,430 --> 00:36:01,599
alien theory or ancient astronaut theory

1041
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:03,440
do you think there's any credence there

1042
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:05,680
like were we able to build those giant

1043
00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:07,760
monoliths or was there

1044
00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:10,560
no absolutely absolutely and i do draw a

1045
00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:13,920
hard line uh with the ancient aliens

1046
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:15,680
camp on this one because

1047
00:36:20,550 --> 00:36:18,480
it and i i mentioned this in my my most

1048
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:20,560
recent book is is that they were

1049
00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:22,320
absolutely capable of doing these things

1050
00:36:25,829 --> 00:36:24,240
it doesn't take this grand technology to

1051
00:36:27,990 --> 00:36:25,839
be able to carve blocks of stone and

1052
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:28,000
then stack them on top of each other and

1053
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:29,599
the fact that you have pyramid shapes in

1054
00:36:32,710 --> 00:36:31,119
all these different places simply

1055
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:32,720
because that's a very solid structure

1056
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:35,280
that doesn't collapse on itself so

1057
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:37,200
it's just people through independent

1058
00:36:41,030 --> 00:36:39,040
invention um

1059
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:41,040
discovering the best way to do things

1060
00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:42,960
and you know the precision with which

1061
00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:44,560
they can carve

1062
00:36:48,870 --> 00:36:47,040
blocks really isn't isn't that dramatic

1063
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:48,880
um i think the most recent research

1064
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:50,560
indicates that they used water because

1065
00:36:53,829 --> 00:36:52,240
water is always flat so they would get

1066
00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:53,839
these flat lines

1067
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:57,040
by using the the water line in order to

1068
00:37:00,790 --> 00:36:59,119
carve those the same way consistently so

1069
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:00,800
they would fit together well

1070
00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:02,880
um so no that that

1071
00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:04,880
that's i gotta call on

1072
00:37:09,030 --> 00:37:06,880
that when i don't i don't subscribe to

1073
00:37:10,710 --> 00:37:09,040
that's also racist because it's never

1074
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:10,720
european things

1075
00:37:14,710 --> 00:37:12,240
that couldn't have been built by those

1076
00:37:16,710 --> 00:37:14,720
people it's always the places where you

1077
00:37:18,310 --> 00:37:16,720
know it's outside of europe so so

1078
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:18,320
there's an underlying racial component

1079
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:19,760
to that too that i think needs to be

1080
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:22,480
addressed but no in studying the

1081
00:37:26,710 --> 00:37:24,160
evolution not just of our physical form

1082
00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:26,720
and our brains but our culture which is

1083
00:37:30,790 --> 00:37:28,640
obviously derived from or at least

1084
00:37:34,470 --> 00:37:30,800
correlates with our brains throughout

1085
00:37:36,150 --> 00:37:34,480
evolutionary history you can see how

1086
00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:36,160
we say that culture's cumulative it

1087
00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:38,800
constantly builds on what came before so

1088
00:37:42,790 --> 00:37:40,960
you have the starting point and then you

1089
00:37:44,390 --> 00:37:42,800
as your generation builds on that the

1090
00:37:46,950 --> 00:37:44,400
next generation builds on it and so on

1091
00:37:49,349 --> 00:37:46,960
and so forth and you can see that that

1092
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:49,359
that line that progressive line leading

1093
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:51,280
up to the people that built the pyramids

1094
00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:53,760
or these monoliths or carvings in easter

1095
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:56,960
island or what have you so so no um i i

1096
00:38:01,589 --> 00:37:59,520
think it's an overreach um

1097
00:38:04,150 --> 00:38:01,599
and it it's something that

1098
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:04,160
it's good and bad i mean ancient aliens

1099
00:38:07,270 --> 00:38:05,359
definitely

1100
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:07,280
got a lot more people interested in the

1101
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:09,839
subject um in fact the most recent

1102
00:38:13,990 --> 00:38:11,920
episode called the time vendors

1103
00:38:16,870 --> 00:38:14,000
was just entirely about this theory they

1104
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:16,880
had me on for the end of it um to kind

1105
00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:18,720
of you know talk about the same things

1106
00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:20,720
we're talking about uh the research in

1107
00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:22,800
my my two books

1108
00:38:27,430 --> 00:38:25,280
and i i think they do a good job of

1109
00:38:29,109 --> 00:38:27,440
exposing people to ideas but it's also

1110
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:29,119
for entertainment they have to entertain

1111
00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:31,200
people and they they go a little bit too

1112
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:32,800
far by just

1113
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:35,040
aliening the gaps as i say instead of

1114
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:37,200
guiding the gaps which we did throughout

1115
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:38,400
history when we didn't understand

1116
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:40,320
something now they're alien the gaps and

1117
00:38:44,950 --> 00:38:42,720
i think that's somewhat harmful

1118
00:38:47,349 --> 00:38:44,960
especially in the context of really

1119
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:47,359
understanding the peoples of the past

1120
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:49,280
and their abilities and the technology

1121
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:51,119
that they had i think it sells them

1122
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:53,280
short in many ways

1123
00:38:57,589 --> 00:38:55,920
uh as far as the uh telepathy of these

1124
00:38:59,430 --> 00:38:57,599
entities do you think that's a

1125
00:39:01,349 --> 00:38:59,440
technological advancement or is that

1126
00:39:02,870 --> 00:39:01,359
going to be a biological

1127
00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:02,880
thing that we're going to be eventually

1128
00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:05,599
be able to do

1129
00:39:09,670 --> 00:39:07,920
yeah i debated that in

1130
00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:09,680
my first book whether it's a brain to

1131
00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:12,079
brain interface thing some sort of

1132
00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:14,240
computer interface or whether it's just

1133
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:16,640
an aspect of our consciousness

1134
00:39:19,109 --> 00:39:17,760
um

1135
00:39:21,670 --> 00:39:19,119
i i

1136
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:21,680
came to the conclusion in researching

1137
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:24,000
this that i don't think it is actually a

1138
00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:25,680
machine

1139
00:39:29,349 --> 00:39:27,680
implant or anything one thing that led

1140
00:39:30,550 --> 00:39:29,359
me to that conclusion is the fact that

1141
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:30,560
you have

1142
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:32,160
uh all of these individuals that don't

1143
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:33,760
have implants who are still

1144
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:36,480
communicating with these future humans

1145
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:37,359
as i

1146
00:39:40,870 --> 00:39:38,880
argue that they are

1147
00:39:43,030 --> 00:39:40,880
um so without that technology in our

1148
00:39:45,270 --> 00:39:43,040
brains how are we still able to do this

1149
00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:45,280
i i do think it's an aspect of our mind

1150
00:39:48,390 --> 00:39:46,720
our consciousness

1151
00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:48,400
and i think our brain

1152
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:50,640
just facilitates that there's sort of a

1153
00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:52,640
growing consensus that our our brains

1154
00:39:56,069 --> 00:39:54,400
don't create consciousness but it's more

1155
00:39:57,430 --> 00:39:56,079
of an antenna that receives and

1156
00:40:00,069 --> 00:39:57,440
transmits it

1157
00:40:02,150 --> 00:40:00,079
um so if that's the case and and we

1158
00:40:05,349 --> 00:40:02,160
develop our brains to be a better

1159
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:05,359
receiver that can transmit information

1160
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:06,720
uh especially in sort of a pain

1161
00:40:10,710 --> 00:40:09,119
consciousness way that everything

1162
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:10,720
is receiving and transmitting in this

1163
00:40:12,550 --> 00:40:11,440
way

1164
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:12,560
i think it's only a matter of time

1165
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:14,640
before that's just something that we can

1166
00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:15,599
do

1167
00:40:18,790 --> 00:40:16,960
some people assuming they already have

1168
00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:18,800
this ability what's interesting is a lot

1169
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:21,200
of abductees or people who

1170
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:23,680
have these unexplained pregnancies that

1171
00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:26,160
took place within their lineage seem to

1172
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:27,839
have that ability more which indicates

1173
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:29,520
it's a heritable trait

1174
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:31,520
otherwise they wouldn't be expected to

1175
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:32,880
have that characteristic as the

1176
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:35,280
descendants of these individuals whose

1177
00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:36,480
grandmother

1178
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:38,560
was mysteriously impregnated or

1179
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:40,480
something like that and again it sounds

1180
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:42,480
crazy to talk about but you mean enough

1181
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:43,520
of these people and they have

1182
00:40:46,550 --> 00:40:44,880
demonstrated

1183
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:46,560
psychic abilities or mediumship

1184
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:48,000
abilities and you kind of have to start

1185
00:40:51,829 --> 00:40:50,160
to pay attention to that after a while

1186
00:40:54,150 --> 00:40:51,839
and so yeah i do think it's an aspect of

1187
00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:54,160
our brains but not that our our brains

1188
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:55,920
create this consciousness they just get

1189
00:40:59,829 --> 00:40:57,839
better at sending and receiving that

1190
00:41:02,069 --> 00:40:59,839
information and and it may become a

1191
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:02,079
necessity at some point we already have

1192
00:41:05,910 --> 00:41:03,599
all kinds of problems because of our

1193
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:05,920
facial retraction which is the direct

1194
00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:08,400
result of our our brains growing larger

1195
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:10,240
and especially moving out

1196
00:41:13,990 --> 00:41:11,920
over top of our eyes like i mentioned

1197
00:41:16,230 --> 00:41:14,000
it's not just vision in the functional

1198
00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:16,240
sense that may be affected but

1199
00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:20,480
it's uh also choking sleep apnea um our

1200
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:22,560
dental crowding all of these issues with

1201
00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:24,560
our faces just not having the space and

1202
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:26,960
time in an ontological sense during

1203
00:41:32,470 --> 00:41:30,000
growth and development to grow out and

1204
00:41:35,109 --> 00:41:32,480
have the space that we had in our our

1205
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:35,119
ancestors and obviously one of the most

1206
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:36,480
important things it's not just breathing

1207
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:38,960
and eating but speaking is one of those

1208
00:41:43,349 --> 00:41:41,119
so if we're impacting all of these other

1209
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:43,359
functional characteristics that we trade

1210
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:46,000
off in exchange for larger more complex

1211
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:47,040
brains

1212
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:49,920
vocalized speech may be one of those so

1213
00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:52,480
evolving our consciousness may not be

1214
00:41:57,190 --> 00:41:55,200
why that happens but it could be one of

1215
00:41:59,589 --> 00:41:57,200
the things that allows us to to expand

1216
00:42:01,589 --> 00:41:59,599
our communicative abilities

1217
00:42:03,990 --> 00:42:01,599
while still sacrificing the functional

1218
00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:04,000
aspects of our lower facial anatomy

1219
00:42:07,750 --> 00:42:05,920
right it's essentially the basis of the

1220
00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:07,760
the buddhist philosophy right there is

1221
00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:10,000
this realm of consciousness you can

1222
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:12,560
access through meditation and self

1223
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:14,640
betterment and everything else and it

1224
00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:17,119
becomes a very real way of accessing

1225
00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:19,599
receiving transmitting all that you know

1226
00:42:23,829 --> 00:42:22,240
the whole third eye and the lineage of

1227
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:23,839
you know history of cultures that

1228
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:25,760
believe in that that there is some type

1229
00:42:30,550 --> 00:42:28,400
of awakening you know it becomes

1230
00:42:32,069 --> 00:42:30,560
spookier and you know weirder the deeper

1231
00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:32,079
down the rabbit hole you go right it's

1232
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:34,240
more quantum physics and and you know

1233
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:36,000
the planck scale and that type of thing

1234
00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:38,160
but it makes sense now we're finding

1235
00:42:42,230 --> 00:42:40,240
this as an evolved culture but yet

1236
00:42:44,470 --> 00:42:42,240
ancient religions have kind of believed

1237
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:44,480
in this for thousands of years

1238
00:42:49,109 --> 00:42:46,960
yeah it's true and i think we're seeing

1239
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:49,119
somewhat of a bridge being formed

1240
00:42:52,630 --> 00:42:51,280
between the east and the west uh more

1241
00:42:53,910 --> 00:42:52,640
recently

1242
00:42:56,470 --> 00:42:53,920
or at least with the people i've been

1243
00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:56,480
hanging out with more recently uh

1244
00:43:01,670 --> 00:42:59,040
scholars of religion and the history of

1245
00:43:03,589 --> 00:43:01,680
philosophy and philosophy and history of

1246
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:03,599
religion philosophy or whatever

1247
00:43:07,589 --> 00:43:05,440
combination of those things

1248
00:43:09,589 --> 00:43:07,599
um yeah it seems that

1249
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:09,599
people have been talking about this in

1250
00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:11,760
india and with you know buddhism and

1251
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:13,119
hinduism for

1252
00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:16,000
centuries thousands of years and and now

1253
00:43:20,470 --> 00:43:18,160
a lot of those things are sort of

1254
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:20,480
being talked about more in western

1255
00:43:23,910 --> 00:43:22,079
philosophy and in science and you're

1256
00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:23,920
right maybe once we

1257
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:25,359
really start to understand quantum

1258
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:27,839
mechanics we'll see that they're all

1259
00:43:30,870 --> 00:43:29,760
kind of one and the same it's easy to

1260
00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:30,880
say that you know we can quantum

1261
00:43:34,630 --> 00:43:32,480
mechanics the gaps in the same way that

1262
00:43:35,829 --> 00:43:34,640
we got and alien the gaps because it's

1263
00:43:37,510 --> 00:43:35,839
something that we don't yet fully

1264
00:43:40,950 --> 00:43:37,520
understand so we can just throw it on

1265
00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:40,960
anything um but with that said i i do

1266
00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:43,200
think there are discoveries related to

1267
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:45,040
particle physics and quantum mechanics

1268
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:47,040
that seem to indicate that

1269
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:49,280
there are things uh that should be taken

1270
00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:51,839
seriously that people had identified

1271
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:54,079
thousands of years earlier in a very

1272
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:55,359
different way

1273
00:44:01,109 --> 00:43:58,480
um but through tapping into this um

1274
00:44:03,030 --> 00:44:01,119
this potential realm that exists

1275
00:44:05,190 --> 00:44:03,040
all around us that we just don't or

1276
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:05,200
didn't and still don't maybe have the

1277
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:07,440
technology to really quantify

1278
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:09,119
i liked in the book how you talk about

1279
00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:11,760
the time distortion from these crafts

1280
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:14,400
and that people in close proximity do

1281
00:44:18,870 --> 00:44:16,319
experience time

1282
00:44:21,829 --> 00:44:18,880
uh differences missing time um even

1283
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:21,839
talked about peniston at the render shem

1284
00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:24,000
forest incident

1285
00:44:28,150 --> 00:44:25,839
and uh i didn't know that he had missing

1286
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:28,160
time i discovered that from your book i

1287
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:30,240
had no idea that he like i knew that he

1288
00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:31,680
had seen the craft but i didn't know

1289
00:44:36,150 --> 00:44:34,240
that he was missing time

1290
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:36,160
what causes that just briefly i know

1291
00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:37,680
it's a big complex thing that you

1292
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:39,680
explained in your book and i recommend

1293
00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:41,280
everybody to

1294
00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:43,520
read it because it's important but what

1295
00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:45,359
causes that dilation because some people

1296
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:47,200
you're mentioning were gone for 20

1297
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:48,800
minutes they come back and it's about

1298
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:50,400
five days that they've been gone or

1299
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:54,950
yeah well that that one in particular

1300
00:44:59,589 --> 00:44:56,960
that you just mentioned was corporal

1301
00:45:00,630 --> 00:44:59,599
armando valdez uh which is extremely

1302
00:45:02,390 --> 00:45:00,640
hard to say

1303
00:45:04,870 --> 00:45:02,400
when recorded in an audiobook as it

1304
00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:04,880
turns out um but yeah he disappeared

1305
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:07,760
from his the the rest of his platoon six

1306
00:45:11,270 --> 00:45:09,280
other men that were there as he

1307
00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:11,280
approached the craft uh in their frame

1308
00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:13,440
of reference for 15 minutes

1309
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:16,319
but based on the time uh and his watch

1310
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:19,280
how dehydrated malnourished he was uh

1311
00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:21,280
bodily hair growth he was gone for five

1312
00:45:25,829 --> 00:45:23,040
days so we have this

1313
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:25,839
uh mechanistic indication of the time he

1314
00:45:29,589 --> 00:45:27,359
was gone in the form of his his

1315
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:29,599
wristwatch but then also the

1316
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:33,200
physiological indication of of time with

1317
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:35,440
the body hair and and

1318
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:37,040
the weakness that he experienced through

1319
00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:38,400
malnutrition

1320
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:39,760
so um

1321
00:45:44,950 --> 00:45:40,560
that

1322
00:45:46,710 --> 00:45:44,960
peniston describes as a sphere of

1323
00:45:48,710 --> 00:45:46,720
influence i thought that was a very

1324
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:48,720
poetic way of saying this

1325
00:45:52,950 --> 00:45:50,400
but you see it in the linda jones case

1326
00:45:55,349 --> 00:45:52,960
which i talk about in my my most recent

1327
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:55,359
book as well she was in manchester and

1328
00:45:59,349 --> 00:45:57,040
could actually see it she could see the

1329
00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:59,359
sphere of influence around it

1330
00:46:04,470 --> 00:46:01,119
and many other cases describe this as

1331
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:04,480
well and i i reference uh how put off

1332
00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:06,960
who seems to be in the know

1333
00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:09,200
with many of these things and he wrote a

1334
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:11,280
paper talking about how they manipulate

1335
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:13,440
the space time metric

1336
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:16,079
and uh that a lot of this also

1337
00:46:21,190 --> 00:46:18,960
correlates with anderson's time research

1338
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:21,200
where they're creating basically the

1339
00:46:25,270 --> 00:46:23,280
sphere of influence around it where

1340
00:46:27,030 --> 00:46:25,280
within that time moves differently they

1341
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:27,040
can speed it up and slow it down and

1342
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:28,400
what's really interesting one of the

1343
00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:30,079
patterns that emerged from researching

1344
00:46:34,069 --> 00:46:31,760
this book is you see both

1345
00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:34,079
you see time speeding up for some people

1346
00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:36,079
and slowing down for others

1347
00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:37,680
so what um

1348
00:46:41,829 --> 00:46:40,240
how put off was was referencing is how

1349
00:46:43,750 --> 00:46:41,839
there's a blue shift and it helps

1350
00:46:45,510 --> 00:46:43,760
explain the light it helps explain the

1351
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:45,520
radiation burns because you have the

1352
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:47,440
visual light spectrum blue shifted up

1353
00:46:54,069 --> 00:46:51,119
into the uv uv spectrum

1354
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:54,079
x-ray even which causes radiation burn

1355
00:46:58,870 --> 00:46:56,960
sometimes more severe often times people

1356
00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:58,880
will have burns and then start to

1357
00:47:02,470 --> 00:47:00,640
recover from them and go on to live a

1358
00:47:04,390 --> 00:47:02,480
long happy life

1359
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:04,400
but he also says that that happens with

1360
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:05,200
time

1361
00:47:07,750 --> 00:47:06,079
they're

1362
00:47:09,829 --> 00:47:07,760
manipulating the space-time metric and

1363
00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:09,839
within that frame of reference they're

1364
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:11,520
speeding up or slowing down and if

1365
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:12,800
there's this blue shift that happens

1366
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:15,119
it's blue shifting time too so that as

1367
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:16,560
people get close to these things they

1368
00:47:19,349 --> 00:47:18,480
might not actually be gone for three

1369
00:47:20,069 --> 00:47:19,359
hours

1370
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:20,079
but

1371
00:47:23,430 --> 00:47:21,839
time speeds up within that frame of

1372
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:23,440
reference so they emerge from it and

1373
00:47:28,230 --> 00:47:25,680
they say well i've missing time and it's

1374
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:28,240
not because they were actually gone for

1375
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:29,839
that time or they just don't remember it

1376
00:47:33,030 --> 00:47:31,359
but it just sped up

1377
00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:33,040
but you have the opposite happen too you

1378
00:47:35,990 --> 00:47:34,640
have time slowed down for certain

1379
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:36,000
individuals so

1380
00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:37,680
i think it's important to consider and

1381
00:47:41,990 --> 00:47:39,839
also in the context of the g-forces

1382
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:42,000
which is a stumbling block and

1383
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:44,960
the you know the the love child of these

1384
00:47:48,790 --> 00:47:46,720
debunkers and skeptics which is the

1385
00:47:50,790 --> 00:47:48,800
stupidest thing ever i don't i don't see

1386
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:50,800
how we can take these people seriously

1387
00:47:53,910 --> 00:47:52,160
and let them have a seat at the table

1388
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:53,920
they're they're anti-science they're

1389
00:47:58,470 --> 00:47:56,720
basically the anti-vaxxers of the ufo

1390
00:47:59,589 --> 00:47:58,480
community where they start from a place

1391
00:48:01,109 --> 00:47:59,599
of bias

1392
00:48:03,829 --> 00:48:01,119
and say well i don't care what all the

1393
00:48:05,190 --> 00:48:03,839
evidence is you're all wrong yeah how is

1394
00:48:07,030 --> 00:48:05,200
that scientific that's the most

1395
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:07,040
anti-science thing ever you're

1396
00:48:11,670 --> 00:48:09,359
acknowledging your biases this is where

1397
00:48:12,870 --> 00:48:11,680
i'm coming from like why do we give them

1398
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:12,880
a seat at the table i don't i still

1399
00:48:16,630 --> 00:48:14,800
don't get it but in any case with the

1400
00:48:18,549 --> 00:48:16,640
g-forces um

1401
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:18,559
it's it could be easily explained by

1402
00:48:21,990 --> 00:48:20,720
this phenomenon as well where what we

1403
00:48:25,030 --> 00:48:22,000
see is this

1404
00:48:26,549 --> 00:48:25,040
rapid acceleration deceleration right

1405
00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:26,559
angle turns the trans-medium

1406
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:28,160
characteristics and if they're

1407
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:29,680
manipulating the space-time metric

1408
00:48:33,990 --> 00:48:32,000
within their sphere of influence what we

1409
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:34,000
see is this instant acceleration and

1410
00:48:39,190 --> 00:48:36,960
deceleration to them maybe a 1g

1411
00:48:41,430 --> 00:48:39,200
acceleration deceleration where they

1412
00:48:43,470 --> 00:48:41,440
slow down the time around them

1413
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:43,480
so that we look like just very

1414
00:48:47,589 --> 00:48:45,040
slow-moving

1415
00:48:49,030 --> 00:48:47,599
humans and they're just going about

1416
00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:49,040
their lives within this frame of

1417
00:48:52,549 --> 00:48:50,480
reference so we're shooting missiles out

1418
00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:52,559
and they they see this thing coming at

1419
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:54,400
you know like this very slow speed they

1420
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:56,640
have all day to react to that but what

1421
00:49:01,270 --> 00:48:59,520
we see outside their temporal frame of

1422
00:49:02,549 --> 00:49:01,280
reference is something very very fast

1423
00:49:05,349 --> 00:49:02,559
they're darting around like a fly on

1424
00:49:07,589 --> 00:49:05,359
cocaine and and it's just it's not that

1425
00:49:09,990 --> 00:49:07,599
they're having to sustain or withstand

1426
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:10,000
these g-forces it's just a difference in

1427
00:49:13,510 --> 00:49:11,760
the temporal frame of reference inside

1428
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:13,520
and outside of these craft

1429
00:49:17,109 --> 00:49:15,599
and to your point on the color shifting

1430
00:49:19,349 --> 00:49:17,119
i find that very interesting because now

1431
00:49:21,510 --> 00:49:19,359
with james webb telescope it's getting

1432
00:49:23,829 --> 00:49:21,520
way way deeper views into the get into

1433
00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:23,839
the you know the universe and they're

1434
00:49:28,230 --> 00:49:26,559
the most faint being the the dying red

1435
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:28,240
color right that's as far back as they

1436
00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:30,880
can go because as long you know space

1437
00:49:35,430 --> 00:49:33,359
and time are correlated so the actual

1438
00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:35,440
color of that star equates to something

1439
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:37,680
and you mentioned blue shifting when we

1440
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:39,200
interviewed george knapp about

1441
00:49:43,349 --> 00:49:40,880
skinwalker ranch and he talks about

1442
00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:43,359
these blue orbs and people reporting

1443
00:49:48,549 --> 00:49:45,680
physiological ailments and burns and all

1444
00:49:49,990 --> 00:49:48,559
this stuff as a result so if it was just

1445
00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:50,000
a shift in

1446
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:52,800
that scale you would maybe affect time

1447
00:49:56,549 --> 00:49:54,720
as well like i find that very

1448
00:49:59,030 --> 00:49:56,559
interesting that's a yeah no that's all

1449
00:50:01,349 --> 00:49:59,040
hell put off your head into right yeah

1450
00:50:03,270 --> 00:50:01,359
no i that's not that's not my idea i'm

1451
00:50:06,309 --> 00:50:03,280
just referencing him and

1452
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:06,319
his uh paper and then also he references

1453
00:50:11,829 --> 00:50:09,200
paul hill who wrote a book called it's

1454
00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:11,839
over here somewhere

1455
00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:15,119
unconventional flying objects

1456
00:50:18,309 --> 00:50:16,319
conventional sign launchers

1457
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:18,319
unconventional flying objects by paul

1458
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:20,160
hill i think he was a physicist as well

1459
00:50:23,430 --> 00:50:20,960
but

1460
00:50:25,510 --> 00:50:23,440
no it makes a lot of damn sense and in

1461
00:50:28,710 --> 00:50:25,520
the whole g-forces thing uh was

1462
00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:28,720
mentioned to me back in 2019

1463
00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:30,640
after the first time i was on coast to

1464
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:33,280
coast someone who claimed to have been

1465
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:35,920
uh an intelligence agent who was now

1466
00:50:39,670 --> 00:50:37,920
retired reached out to me and told me

1467
00:50:41,109 --> 00:50:39,680
this g-forces thing that i'd never

1468
00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:41,119
thought of and i was like you know where

1469
00:50:44,470 --> 00:50:42,720
were you three months ago before i

1470
00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:44,480
published this book because that's

1471
00:50:48,390 --> 00:50:46,319
interesting information

1472
00:50:51,030 --> 00:50:48,400
um but then yeah like

1473
00:50:53,589 --> 00:50:51,040
what put off argues what paul hill

1474
00:50:55,510 --> 00:50:53,599
argues it makes a lot of sense and if

1475
00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:55,520
they do have the ability to manipulate

1476
00:50:58,470 --> 00:50:56,880
space time

1477
00:50:59,270 --> 00:50:58,480
what's keeping them from going back in

1478
00:51:01,670 --> 00:50:59,280
time

1479
00:51:03,270 --> 00:51:01,680
it really indicates that if they have

1480
00:51:04,870 --> 00:51:03,280
this capability

1481
00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:04,880
why wouldn't they use it to go study

1482
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:06,880
their past especially in the deep future

1483
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:09,359
if everything's destroyed by war which

1484
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:11,200
happens all the time we're constantly

1485
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:13,040
destroying the culture of other peoples

1486
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:15,119
once we conquer them because we went to

1487
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:16,800
war with them because we constructed the

1488
00:51:21,109 --> 00:51:18,800
other and said they're not worthy

1489
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:21,119
of existing and so their culture isn't

1490
00:51:25,030 --> 00:51:22,720
worthy of existing either so we blow up

1491
00:51:27,430 --> 00:51:25,040
all their and move on and in doing

1492
00:51:28,870 --> 00:51:27,440
that we destroy the record so

1493
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:28,880
a lot of people say well why would we go

1494
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:30,960
back in time if we have all of these

1495
00:51:35,829 --> 00:51:33,760
digital archives and physical archives

1496
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:35,839
well because we destroy each other

1497
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:37,440
you know you might have to go back just

1498
00:51:40,790 --> 00:51:38,640
to learn about the past because

1499
00:51:42,549 --> 00:51:40,800
everything got blown up or if it's far

1500
00:51:44,390 --> 00:51:42,559
enough in the future

1501
00:51:46,309 --> 00:51:44,400
not not everything's gonna

1502
00:51:47,670 --> 00:51:46,319
survive even if we don't go to war with

1503
00:51:49,510 --> 00:51:47,680
each other so i think there's a lot of

1504
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:49,520
reasons for doing it especially as an

1505
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:51,599
anthropologist paleoanthropologist i

1506
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:52,800
would love to have access to this

1507
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:54,720
technology and i would be doing the

1508
00:51:58,150 --> 00:51:56,640
exact same things that people

1509
00:51:59,910 --> 00:51:58,160
describe having

1510
00:52:02,950 --> 00:51:59,920
been done to them in these abduction

1511
00:52:06,069 --> 00:52:02,960
cases so um yeah a lot of things point

1512
00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:06,079
to the fact that we figure it out and we

1513
00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:08,640
use it to visit and study the past and

1514
00:52:11,270 --> 00:52:09,760
possibly

1515
00:52:13,270 --> 00:52:11,280
take gametes into the future to help

1516
00:52:14,309 --> 00:52:13,280
with reproductive problems we're having

1517
00:52:16,309 --> 00:52:14,319
nice

1518
00:52:18,630 --> 00:52:16,319
my last question for you before we let

1519
00:52:20,470 --> 00:52:18,640
you go um what about the threat

1520
00:52:22,470 --> 00:52:20,480
narrative because we keep hearing about

1521
00:52:23,829 --> 00:52:22,480
that the threat narrative of this

1522
00:52:26,710 --> 00:52:23,839
do you think that there's a threat to

1523
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:26,720
this because gary nolan was recently uh

1524
00:52:30,069 --> 00:52:28,800
interviewed i think by tucker carlson

1525
00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:30,079
and he asked him do you think that

1526
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:32,960
anybody's ever been injured purposefully

1527
00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:35,520
by one of these objects and he said no

1528
00:52:39,670 --> 00:52:37,680
um people are getting injured from you

1529
00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:39,680
know like you mentioned radiation burns

1530
00:52:43,829 --> 00:52:41,680
and all that but even what happened to

1531
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:43,839
travis walton you mentioned it was more

1532
00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:46,559
of a hospital uh or emergency call like

1533
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:48,880
a 911 call than anything else

1534
00:52:54,390 --> 00:52:51,599
yeah he thinks that too he also says

1535
00:52:55,910 --> 00:52:54,400
that yeah so um do you think there's a

1536
00:52:57,670 --> 00:52:55,920
threat narrative here or is that just

1537
00:53:01,430 --> 00:52:57,680
something that the the political system

1538
00:53:03,670 --> 00:53:01,440
is using to sort of bring out disclosure

1539
00:53:06,069 --> 00:53:03,680
there is a threat narrative i don't

1540
00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:06,079
think there's actually a threat

1541
00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:07,040
either

1542
00:53:13,910 --> 00:53:11,760
societal level or the military level

1543
00:53:15,990 --> 00:53:13,920
these things could have hurt us so long

1544
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:16,000
ago they

1545
00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:17,520
have been flying circles around our

1546
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:19,440
technology for decades

1547
00:53:24,230 --> 00:53:22,000
centuries and they still are but it's

1548
00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:24,240
stupid it's so stupid but i understand

1549
00:53:29,109 --> 00:53:27,280
it it makes sense in the context of

1550
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:29,119
needing an angle

1551
00:53:32,790 --> 00:53:30,720
and it this the threat narrative

1552
00:53:35,829 --> 00:53:32,800
provides an angle with which

1553
00:53:37,270 --> 00:53:35,839
they can get people on board who have

1554
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:37,280
always just turned a blind eye they have

1555
00:53:41,910 --> 00:53:38,880
this knee-jerk reaction to anything

1556
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:41,920
involving ufos but if we say well wait

1557
00:53:45,910 --> 00:53:43,440
you know what if we crash into water

1558
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:45,920
they crash into us or they turn hostile

1559
00:53:48,950 --> 00:53:47,280
it's not going to happen why would why

1560
00:53:50,150 --> 00:53:48,960
would our descendants just start

1561
00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:50,160
shooting

1562
00:53:54,870 --> 00:53:53,280
people randomly or crashing

1563
00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:54,880
planes and uh

1564
00:53:58,870 --> 00:53:56,480
aircraft carriers it

1565
00:54:00,470 --> 00:53:58,880
it it makes no sense and uh if they are

1566
00:54:02,390 --> 00:54:00,480
future humans it also makes no sense if

1567
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:02,400
they're extraterrestrials because they

1568
00:54:04,950 --> 00:54:03,920
could have done it a long time ago and

1569
00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:04,960
hadn't

1570
00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:07,520
um so no i get it it makes sense it

1571
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:10,480
feels a little manipulative but at this

1572
00:54:13,750 --> 00:54:12,240
point you know whatever works whatever

1573
00:54:16,230 --> 00:54:13,760
keeps this conversation moving in the

1574
00:54:18,069 --> 00:54:16,240
right direction i'm i'm on board and

1575
00:54:21,030 --> 00:54:18,079
what i liked about the extra tempestual

1576
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:21,040
model is that it also validates that the

1577
00:54:24,069 --> 00:54:22,559
cattle mutilation might just be that

1578
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:24,079
they need a good barbecue every once in

1579
00:54:27,510 --> 00:54:25,920
a while because they're human right so

1580
00:54:29,349 --> 00:54:27,520
maybe they just like you see my new

1581
00:54:30,549 --> 00:54:29,359
picture i saw that yeah that looks

1582
00:54:36,710 --> 00:54:30,559
awesome

1583
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:38,789
i love this thing

1584
00:54:44,309 --> 00:54:41,440
oh that's awesome

1585
00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:44,319
i don't know where it's at oh cows i

1586
00:54:47,750 --> 00:54:46,319
know well what's funny about is this you

1587
00:54:49,510 --> 00:54:47,760
know it's this cute little thing and

1588
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:49,520
that cow's about to get its eyes plucked

1589
00:54:54,470 --> 00:54:52,319
out and it's anus ripped out and we're

1590
00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:54,480
like oh cute but it's such a happy

1591
00:54:58,630 --> 00:54:56,640
little i love it no my my wife sells

1592
00:55:01,510 --> 00:54:58,640
jewelry and she was at a um makes

1593
00:55:04,150 --> 00:55:01,520
themselves story and we were at a arts

1594
00:55:05,589 --> 00:55:04,160
festival yesterday and uh the person

1595
00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:05,599
right next door

1596
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:07,440
uh painted this i was like oh i gotta

1597
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:09,839
get one of those it's naturally yeah

1598
00:55:14,069 --> 00:55:11,599
yeah it seems it's a synchronicity let's

1599
00:55:15,430 --> 00:55:14,079
call it that uh but yeah i know it's

1600
00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:15,440
kind of ironic in a way because that

1601
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:18,000
cow's about to undergo some very painful

1602
00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:20,160
procedures it's like jason's picture in

1603
00:55:23,510 --> 00:55:21,920
the background somebody commented once

1604
00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:23,520
they were like you know they may not all

1605
00:55:27,349 --> 00:55:25,440
be friendly like your photo back there

1606
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:27,359
and jason's like no no they're holding

1607
00:55:30,150 --> 00:55:29,040
the dude's arms down they're not

1608
00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:30,160
friendly in the picture they're not

1609
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:32,160
friendly in that picture and that's you

1610
00:55:36,870 --> 00:55:34,640
know that's an important point um most

1611
00:55:39,510 --> 00:55:36,880
people do have a positive experience

1612
00:55:41,910 --> 00:55:39,520
yeah some some don't you know some are

1613
00:55:43,589 --> 00:55:41,920
traumatized for life by what they

1614
00:55:46,069 --> 00:55:43,599
endure but the vast majority especially

1615
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:46,079
ones that encounter the most human

1616
00:55:51,910 --> 00:55:49,680
forms uh do to actually like it and and

1617
00:55:53,510 --> 00:55:51,920
long for further interaction which seems

1618
00:55:56,870 --> 00:55:53,520
weird to a lot of people because there's

1619
00:55:58,789 --> 00:55:56,880
this threat narrative of aliens too but

1620
00:56:01,030 --> 00:55:58,799
uh if you look at the statistics on that

1621
00:56:03,589 --> 00:56:01,040
based on contact he experiences it's the

1622
00:56:05,829 --> 00:56:03,599
opposite of what most people think

1623
00:56:07,589 --> 00:56:05,839
awesome louis do you have any funny yeah

1624
00:56:09,430 --> 00:56:07,599
michael where can people follow you and

1625
00:56:11,109 --> 00:56:09,440
find your information if they want to

1626
00:56:14,470 --> 00:56:11,119
get more of your brilliant mind where

1627
00:56:19,109 --> 00:56:16,789
other than somewhere in montana that cow

1628
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:19,119
is lashing back it's fighting fighting

1629
00:56:21,910 --> 00:56:20,880
for its life the painting just collapsed

1630
00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:21,920
on

1631
00:56:25,750 --> 00:56:24,400
the side it is i know

1632
00:56:27,349 --> 00:56:25,760
you'll be all right

1633
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:27,359
um so i think

1634
00:56:32,230 --> 00:56:30,000
probably

1635
00:56:34,630 --> 00:56:32,240
i don't know at my website i guess i've

1636
00:56:36,309 --> 00:56:34,640
got a website with an email list that i

1637
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:36,319
don't really use very often so maybe

1638
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:38,079
that's not a good place

1639
00:56:42,950 --> 00:56:40,480
um i i think i use twitter more than

1640
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:42,960
anything else just because it's it seems

1641
00:56:46,309 --> 00:56:44,480
to be the place where most people are

1642
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:46,319
talking about this and

1643
00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:49,680
both informed and bash it crazy ways

1644
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:51,200
um

1645
00:56:54,710 --> 00:56:53,040
so yeah i don't know a place to get in

1646
00:56:57,589 --> 00:56:54,720
fights with people too apparently well

1647
00:57:00,870 --> 00:56:57,599
yeah i avoid all that uh i run from

1648
00:57:03,190 --> 00:57:00,880
those like uh a car on fire

1649
00:57:04,870 --> 00:57:03,200
um but no i guess there's links to all

1650
00:57:08,390 --> 00:57:04,880
those on my website and links to the

1651
00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:08,400
books and um i i recently designed i had

1652
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:09,119
a

1653
00:57:46,630 --> 00:57:43,680
definitely recommend this book for

1654
00:57:49,349 --> 00:57:46,640
everybody because this is an aspect of

1655
00:57:50,870 --> 00:57:49,359
you know studying uaps that is very

1656
00:57:53,109 --> 00:57:50,880
important we need to look at this angle

1657
00:57:55,510 --> 00:57:53,119
as well it's brilliantly written like i

1658
00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:55,520
said i'm not just uh you know praising

1659
00:57:59,990 --> 00:57:57,520
it because you're on the show i actually

1660
00:58:02,309 --> 00:58:00,000
love the show i love the the book it was

1661
00:58:04,950 --> 00:58:02,319
really well done you can also get the

1662
00:58:07,670 --> 00:58:04,960
audio version as well on audible uh

1663
00:58:11,109 --> 00:58:07,680
which is the way that i uh listen to the

1664
00:58:13,829 --> 00:58:11,119
uh the book which is read and uh by the

1665
00:58:15,910 --> 00:58:13,839
author himself actually so terry uh

1666
00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:15,920
terry michael i appreciate your time i

1667
00:58:20,309 --> 00:58:18,240
got terry lovelace stuck in my mind uh

1668
00:58:22,950 --> 00:58:20,319
it's easy to do yeah it's got him on my

1669
00:58:24,950 --> 00:58:22,960
mind as well yeah his story now is uh

1670
00:58:27,510 --> 00:58:24,960
i'm gonna have to go back and reread the

1671
00:58:29,109 --> 00:58:27,520
book uh michael i appreciate your time

1672
00:58:30,789 --> 00:58:29,119
sir i appreciate everything that you're

1673
00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:30,799
doing within the scientific community

1674
00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:32,640
and talking about this subject i know

1675
00:58:37,349 --> 00:58:34,480
these podcasts sometimes are a little

1676
00:58:39,109 --> 00:58:37,359
bit tedious but uh your voice is is is

1677
00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:39,119
refreshing in the community and we need

1678
00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:41,040
more people like you so thank you so

1679
00:58:44,470 --> 00:58:42,480
much for coming on the podcast today

1680
00:58:46,309 --> 00:58:44,480
yeah that's awesome i appreciate that

1681
00:58:48,510 --> 00:58:46,319
and um always a pleasure talking to you